I paid 11.14 SGD for a solo ‘jjimjilbang’ (찜질방) experience in Seoul, South Korea. Here’s my honest review (part I)

Hongdae 24-Hour Bulgama Sauna (Part 1)

If you’re into Korean culture, K-dramas, or variety shows, it’s hard not to know what ‘jjimjilbang’ is.

It’s loosely translated as a Korean sauna, but thanks to AI, we’ve got an accurate (?) translation:

In Korean, a “jimjilbang” is written as 찜질방. The word is a combination of “jjimjil” (찜질), meaning heating or poultice, and “bang” (방), meaning room. So, it literally translates to “heated room” or “poultice room”.

So I randomly decided to drop by a ‘jjimjilbang’ that’s not too touristy; one that cannot be found on Klook or Kkday.

Nothing against the two big Ks, haha, just that I wanted to experience something that locals would normally go to?

I wanted to visit one in the Hongdae area, so I searched on Naver maps, and this place came up:

Hongdae 24-Hour Bulgama Sauna

“홍대24시불가마사우나” in Korean and “Hongdae 24-Hour Bulgama Sauna” in English.

It’s easy to get to, just 200 m or less than a 5-minute walk from Exit 4 of Hongik University Station.

Here’s a quick map reference:

Hongdae University Station to Hongdae 24-Hour Bulgama Sauna

I read blog reviews on food prices on-site, and I didn’t want to spend that money (I’m a miser, ha!), so I dropped by GS25 (a chain convenience store) inside Hongik University Station and got a Kinder Bueno bar to quickly fill my tummy before I checked in at the ‘jjimjilbang’.

1,100 KRW Kinder Bueno Bar

And off I go!

Hongik University Station Exit 4

As mentioned earlier, it’s a short walk from Exit 4, so look for the signs.

Hongik University Station Exit 4 sign

Once you exit the underground, you will likely see this pole with “Exit 4” written on it.

You’re at the right spot!

But which way?

AK Plaza & Starbucks

See AK Plaza?

Step outside, and do you see Starbucks on the left?

Walk towards the Starbucks direction and keep walking.

sauna opposite LG building

It’s directly opposite a huge LG Electronics Store, so you won’t miss it.

zebra crossing in Hongdae

Take the zebra crossing to get over to the other side.

entrance door to sauna

And here’s the right entrance, so go through the doors and walk straight to the elevators.

elevators to the sauna

It’s located in B2 (basement 2), so take the elevator down.

sauna at B2

And here’s the entrance once you reach B2.

Sauna entrance

SHOES OFF, but I didn’t heed the advice, oops.

Was busy taking pictures for y’all :p

It was very quiet, and I thought there was no one at the front desk, but there was an ahjumma seated behind the desk.

Her eyes were glued to the screen, and she didn’t even greet me.

I walked forward and said “one adult” in English.

She didn’t say a word and just clicked away at her desktop to process payment.

sauna price list

It was a weekday, and during the day, it was 10,000 KRW for entry.

They charge separately for ‘jjimjilbang’ clothes, at an extra 2,000 KRW, so all in all, I was charged 12,000 KRW.

I asked her if I could pay using Apple Pay, but she just pointed at the price list, not understanding what I was asking and not even attempting to understand.

Bad service right from the start. Hoho.

Anyway, no Apple Pay apparently, so I took out my physical YouTrip card to make payment.

I was charged 11.14 SGD based on the day’s exchange rate!

Not a bad price, huh?

jjimjilbang clothes & towels

Lucky number for the day is 45.

I mean, locker number.

She handed me my ‘jjimjilbang’ clothes, alongside two towels, and a receipt with the locker number on it, and signalled me to go left.

women's changing room

The men’s one is on the right.

men's changing room

Just remove your shoes (and socks) and put them into your designated shoe cabinet locker.

locker for shoes

Then just enter and find your clothes locker.

clothes locker

It was pretty crowded inside, with a bunch of Korean ladies taking their own sweet time to change out of their clothes and getting ready to leave.

I barely managed to change out of my own clothes and into the ‘jjimjilbang’ ones, plus store all my belongings in the locker.

And honestly, the clothes they gave me reeked of years of built-up sweat, like clothes too old or clothes that had never seen the sunlight in like forever.

I’m a clean freak, so it instantly put me in a bad mood.

women's changing room restroom

There’s a restroom right where the lockers are at but there’s only one cubicle, so I would advise you to head up to the main hall to use the restrooms there.

water dispensers

I brought my own water bottle, but they had plenty of such water dispensers at every corner with paper sachets (instant cups), so you can quench your thirst easily.

sauna services

This is the price list for sauna services they provide: scrub, massage, shampoo, etc.

As you can see, it’s all in Korean, so it’s not very tourist-friendly.

powder room

There’s a powder room (station) with combs, lotion, cotton buds, etc.

But they looked filthy to me.

hair dryer

And you have to pay 200 KRW (approx. 0.18 SGD) for a 2-minute use of the hair dryer…

sauna room for adhoc services

There’s also a little corner where they provide ad hoc services.

Nothing written in English, btw.

way to sauna

I couldn’t find the way to enter the ‘jjimjilbang’, so I asked one of the locals in the changing room, and she pointed me in the right direction.

staircase to sauna

You will have to take the carpeted staircases to get to the main hall, so if you’re traveling with someone with bad knees, just take note, yeah.

massage room

There’s a massage room (unisex) on the left once you exit the staircase, so if you’re interested, you could go for it.

It’s “no, thank you” for me, so I was headed towards the main hall straight away…

And that’s all for part 1 of this very lengthy post.

If you want to know what greets me at the main hall, the actual sauna rooms, food court/ramen station, and more, stick around.

See you next in part 2. Tap/click on the link right here:

I paid 11.14 SGD for a solo ‘jjimjilbang’ (찜질방) experience in Seoul, South Korea. Here’s my honest review (part II)

All image credits to Celeste Elle and should not be reproduced without permission.

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50+ newly launched stuff in August 2025 from Daiso Korea to buy & bring back to Singapore

Daiso Korea New Launches in August 2025

It’s the last summer launches from Daiso Korea! ☀️

We’re looking at items such as cheek balms, dark spot care series, a ton of character merch, and more.

Here you go:

#1: Twinkle Pop Tangle Jelling Pot (3,000 KRW; approx. 2.79 SGD)

#2: Twinkle Pop Softie Duo Cheek Balm (5,000 KRW; approx. 4.66 SGD)

#3: MEDIPEEL Melanonx Dark Spot Ampoule (5,000 KRW; approx. 4.66 SGD)

#4: MEDIPEEL Melanonx Dark Spot Cream (5,000 KRW; approx. 4.66 SGD)

#5: MEDIPEEL Melanonx Dark Spot Eye Cream (3,000 KRW; approx. 2.79 SGD)

#6: MEDIPEEL Melanonx Dark Spot Cream Patch (2 Pcs) (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#7: MEDIPEEL Melanonx Dark Spot Gel (3,000 KRW; approx. 2.79 SGD)

#8: Doraemon Color Gel Pen Set (6 Pcs) (5,000 KRW; approx. 4.66 SGD)

#9: Doraemon Gel Pen / Acrylic Gel Pen (1,000 KRW / 2,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD / 1.86 SGD)

#10: Doraemon Transparent Pouch (1,000 KRW / 2,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD / 1.86 SGD)

#11: Doraemon Plastic Pouches (20/25 Pcs) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#12: Doraemon Gift Wrappers (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#13: Peanuts Character Face Keyring (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#14: Peanuts Figure Pen (Assorted) (2,000 KRW / 3,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD / 2.79 SGD)

#15: Peanuts Mascot Ball Pen (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#16: Peanuts Slide Ball Pen (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#17: Peanuts Letter Set (4 Sets) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#18: Peanuts Letter Pads (20 Pcs) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#19: Peanuts Notebooks (Assorted) (2,000 KRW / 3,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD / 2.79 SGD)

#20: Peanuts Transparent Stickers (3 Pcs) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#21: Peanuts Stickers (3 Pcs) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#22: Peanuts Mini Memo Pads / Clipboard (1,000 KRW / 2,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD / 1.86 SGD)

#23: Peanuts Mini Notebooks / Memo Pads (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#24: Memo Notebooks (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#25: Photocard Sleeves (25 Pcs) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#26: Deco Set (3 Sets) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#27: Transparent Cover Notebook (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#28: Sticker Memos (100 Pcs) (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#29: Deco Stickers (4 Pcs) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#30: Cutter (Pen) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#31: Little Twin Stars Kiki / Lala Character Keyring Dolls (3,000 KRW; approx. 2.79 SGD)

#32: Little Twin Stars Kiki / Lala Character Dolls (5,000 KRW; approx. 4.66 SGD)

#33: Little Twin Stars Kiki / Lala Character Keyring Dollheads (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#34: Little Twin Stars Kiki / Lala Character String Pouch (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#35a: Little Twin Stars Lala Coin Pouch (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#35b: Little Twin Stars Kiki Coin Pouch (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#36: Little Twin Stars Cushion (3,000 KRW; approx. 2.79 SGD)

#37: Little Twin Stars Mini Notebook (80 Pcs) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#38: Little Twin Stars Notebook (80 Pcs) (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#39: Little Twin Stars Index Notebook (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#40: Little Twin Stars Memo Pads (70 Pcs) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#41: Advent Calendar (5,000 KRW; approx. 4.66 SGD)

#42: Zipper Bags (Assorted) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#43: Carrier / Paper Bags (3 Pcs) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#44: Card Sets (10 Sets) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#45: Glass Mood Lamp (3,000 KRW; approx. 2.79 SGD)

#46: Message Cards (4 Sets) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#47: Sticker Letter Sets (5 Sets) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#48: DIY Keyring Set (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#49: Lucky Doll DIY Set (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#50: Notebook (3,000 KRW; approx. 2.79 SGD)

#51: Masking Tape (Assorted) (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#52: Spectacles Cloth Pouch (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#53: Snack Keyrings (Assorted) (2,000 KRW; approx. 1.86 SGD)

#54: Hotdog / So-tteok-so-tteok Plushies (5,000 KRW; approx. 4.66 SGD)

#55: Toast Keyrings (1,000 KRW; approx. 0.93 SGD)

#56: Rollcake Plushies (5,000 KRW; approx. 4.66 SGD)

All image credits to Daiso Korea.

Price conversion from KRW to SGD is accurate at the time of writing.

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Latest WFH internships posted from 18 to 22 August 2025

a half-closed laptop

Are you into marketing?

If yes, good news for you because this week, we’ve got lots of internship opportunities under the big umbrella of marketing.

Take a look! 👀

#1: Hello Planet Pte Ltd (TanTan Dating App) – Product Marketing Intern

tantantribe.com

Website: tantantribe.com

Allowance / Remuneration: $1,000 – 1,500 monthly

Job Qualifications
  • A student or recent graduate in Marketing, Communications, Psychology, Media, Business, or a related field
  • Passionate about dating culture, product design, and the psychology of attraction
  • Skilled in content creation and video editing (CapCut, VN, Adobe Premiere, or similar tools)
  • Comfortable using tools like Google Forms, Canva, Figma, Notion, Google Sheets, etc.
  • A great communicator with attention to detail and a curious mind—you ask why, not just how
  • Fluent in English; Mandarin or other SEA languages is a plus
Key Responsibilities

Marketing & Content

  • Support go-to-market (GTM) strategies for new features, offline activations, and seasonal campaigns
  • Curate and localize campaign content for TanTan Dating App, in-app experiences, and social channels
  • Edit short-form videos (TikTok, Reels, Stories) for paid and organic distribution
  • Help craft in-app messages, push notifications, and feature explainers to drive product adoption
  • NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA

Product Research & User Insights

  • Assist in planning and conducting user surveys and interviews to uncover behavioral patterns and feature feedback
  • Help gather and synthesize qualitative and quantitative insights to support feature iterations
  • Conduct product testing and report UX observations or bugs across iOS and Android versions

Market Intelligence & Strategy

  • Perform competitor analysis across dating, social discovery, and lifestyle apps
  • Monitor industry trends, product positioning, and user sentiment in key markets (US, SG, TH, AU, etc.)
  • Contribute to internal knowledge decks and support cross-team strategy alignment

Event Management

  • Plan and execute events management from 0 to 1.
  • Ensure the events are conducted properly from the pre-stage to the post-event mortem.
How to apply?

View the job post here and write to [email protected] and [email protected]

#2: The Life Celebrant – Social Media Marketing Intern

thelifecelebrant.sg

Website: thelifecelebrant.sg

Allowance / Remuneration: $800 – 1,500 monthly

Job Qualifications
  • Familiar with social media platforms and current trends (especially TikTok & Instagram Reels)
  • Basic skills in video and photo editing software/apps (e.g., CapCut, Canva, Adobe Premiere Pro, Photoshop)
  • Strong eye for aesthetics, storytelling, and detail
  • Comfortable being on-site and mobile for content capture
  • Self-motivated, adaptable, and able to work independently under flexible arrangements
  • Based in Singapore without the need for visa sponsorship
Key Responsibilities
  • Assist in content creation for Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, LinkedIn, and other platforms
  • Accompany team members during work activities, events, and visits to capture videos and photos
  • Handle video recording, photography, and behind-the-scenes coverage
  • Edit and produce both short-form and long-form content for posting
  • Draft captions, hashtags, and simple copywriting for posts
  • Schedule and publish social media posts consistently
  • Monitor engagement (likes, comments, shares) and compile insights/reports
  • Brainstorm creative campaigns, trending content ideas, and storytelling approaches
  • Support ad-hoc marketing or outreach initiatives
How to apply?

View the job post here and write to Veron via this link.

#3: Hairsauce – Marketing Lead

hairsauce.club

Website: hairsauce.club

Allowance / Remuneration: $900 – 3,200 (project /contract-based)

Job Qualifications
  • A digital-first marketer who lives and breathes social media.
  • Someone with ideas that are a little wild—but smart enough to work.
  • Hands-on, scrappy, and hungry to grow a brand from the ground up.
  • Comfortable running campaigns end-to-end—from brainstorming to execution to reporting.
  • A mix of creative flair and data-driven hustle.
Key Responsibilities
  • Dream up and launch bold campaigns that get people talking (and buying).
  • Own digital presence—social media, content, paid ads, influencer collabs—you’ll be the voice and vibe of Hairsauce online.
  • Create scroll-stopping content and keep the community engaged across Instagram, TikTok, and beyond.
  • Drive promotions and outreach that turn hype into sales.
  • Experiment, test, and learn—fast. If it works, scale it; if it doesn’t, pivot and go again.
  • Track results, learn from the data, and keep pushing for bigger wins.
How to apply?

View the job post here and write to Christopher via this link.

#4: JERNN – Digital Marketing Intern

jernn.com

Website: jernn.com

Allowance / Remuneration: $800 – 1,000 monthly

Job Qualifications
  • Passion for fashion, digital media, and branding
  • Strong writing and communication skills
  • Basic knowledge of Canva, social media tools, or digital marketing platforms
  • Proactive, detail-oriented, and eager to learn
Key Responsibilities
  • Assist in creating and scheduling social media content (Instagram, Facebook, TikTok)
  • Support influencer collaborations and track campaign performance
  • Conduct market research and propose content ideas aligned with brand identity
  • Help manage e-commerce listings and digital promotions
  • Monitor social media engagement and provide reports
How to apply?

View the job post here and write to Janet via this link.

#5: KiteSense Pte Ltd – Curriculum English Intern

kitesense.ai

Website: kitesense.ai

Allowance / Remuneration: $800 – 1,500 monthly

Job Qualifications
  • Strong command of English (written and spoken).
  • Interest in curriculum, teaching, or education technology.
  • Detail-oriented, organized, and able to spot errors easily.
  • Comfortable working independently and in teams.
  • Bonus: Familiarity with MOE English syllabus, edtech platforms, or AI tools.
Key Responsibilities
  • Assist in creating and reviewing English curriculum materials (lessons, exercises, quizzes).
  • Support QA of AI-generated content to ensure accuracy, clarity, and age-appropriateness.
  • Help with content tagging, organizing curriculum data, and preparing teaching resources.
  • Research new ideas in online learning, gamification, and educational technology.
  • Collaborate with curriculum leads, designers, and engineers to improve student learning journeys.
How to apply?

View the job post here and send your CV and a short note on why this internship excites you to [email protected]

Editor’s note: These positions are selected based on the “remote” tag, but some are hybrid ones, and you may need to report to the office physically. For more details, contact the employer directly.

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How to Keep Your Friendships in Your 30s

No one really prepares you for how drastically your social life changes once you hit your 30s. I realized this at 31, when I looked back at how different my friendships felt compared to just a few years ago. In my 20s, life revolved around dinners with friends, weekend getaways, and late nights in the malls. But slowly, the circle began to shift. Some friends got married (myself included), others moved away, and many became consumed by work or family. A few had children, and their lives naturally settled into a different rhythm.

At first, it was a transition. How could people I had shared so much of my life with suddenly become unavailable? But as I sat with it, I realized it was not a rejection of our bond. It was simply life unfolding. Priorities shifted, responsibilities grew heavier, and friendships that once had all the time in the world had to fight for space alongside careers, families, and personal well-being.

The truth is, friendship in your 30s requires a recalibration. You cannot expect the same frequency of meetups or the same spontaneity you had when you were younger. What you can cultivate instead is quality. Think moments of connection that feel present and intentional. A long brunch every few months, a heartfelt conversation over kopi after work, or even a voice note that says, “I’m thinking of you.” These smaller, thoughtful gestures often mean more than constant chatter.

I also discovered that no single friend can meet every need. In my 20s, I leaned heavily on a few close friendships for everything from laughter to advice as well as from nights out to deep talks. But in my 30s, I learned to diversify. I think of it as building a personal board of directors for my social life. Some friends are the ones I call for career advice. Others are great for a badminton match on the weekend. A few are there for long conversations about family, relationships, or dreams. Spreading this out makes each friendship lighter, healthier, and more sustainable.

Image Credits: unsplash.com

Of course, friendships evolve. A friend with children may not be able to join in late-night suppers anymore, but perhaps you can visit their home and spend time with the family. A friend who is between jobs may not be keen on expensive dinners, but you can invite them over for home-cooked meals. Being flexible, patient, and willing to adapt keeps the friendship alive even when lifestyles no longer align perfectly.

I also found that integrating friendships into your lifestyle is key. It is much easier to maintain bonds when they are built into your routines. Joining a regular fitness class, participating in a community group, or attending cultural events provides natural opportunities to see familiar faces and form deeper connections over time. That could mean joining a running club along the Marina Bay stretch, signing up for pottery workshops, or simply becoming a regular at your favorite hawker stall where the conversations eventually go beyond small talk.

Image Credits: unsplash.com

And sometimes, it is about embracing new forms of connection. A short video call, a late-night text, or sending a funny link can keep the thread alive. The medium matters less than the intent. What counts is showing up, even in small ways, and letting your friends know you are still invested in their lives.

Keeping friendships in your 30s takes more effort, but the rewards run deeper. You realize that the people who want to be in your life will make the time, just as you will for them. What once revolved around convenience now rests on choice. And that makes every coffee, every conversation, and every shared moment feel all the more valuable.

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FairPrice has ‘buy 1 get 1 free’ offers, up to 50% off potato chips & more till 27 August 2025

FairPrice 'Price Drop Buy Now' till 27 August 2025 (Main Banner)

We love this week’s deals from FairPrice because we’ve got a full list of 1+1 offers and up to 50% off items such as potato chips, oranges, and coconuts! 🥥

FairPrice 'Price Drop Buy Now' till 27 August 2025

Promotion ends on Wednesday, 27 August 2025, so cart out now.

Buy 1 Get 1 Free

Lotus Biscoff Sandwich (Assorted)

Lotus Biscoff Sandwich - Biscoff Cream

Promo Price: 2 for $2.70 (was $2.70 each)

These Belgian beauties take the caramelized crunch of Lotus Biscoff and double down on deliciousness with three filling options: Biscoff cream, milk chocolate, and creamy vanilla. Each halal-certified cookie is perfect alone, but also shines alongside your morning coffee or afternoon tea 🍵

Snickers Chocolate Bar – Minis

Snickers Chocolate Bar - Minis

Promo Price: 2 for $3.95 (was $3.95 each)

Some things in life are better when they’re bite-sized, and these Snickers minis packs all the satisfaction of a full-size bar—milk chocolate wrapping around peanuts, caramel, and soft nougat—but in a well-portioned package. Pop one when you need a quick chocolate fix. Halal-certified.

Dettol Anti-Bacterial / Foaming Hand Wash (Assorted)

Dettol Anti-Bacterial Hand Wash - Original

Promo Price: 2 for $4.09 (was $4.09 each)

These pH-balanced hand wash series by Dettol eliminate 99.9% of germs while keeping your skin feeling healthy. Whether you prefer the classic Original, sweet Strawberry, Honey and Almond Milk, or Lavender and White Musk, there’s a match for every 👋 and sink in your home.

Mr Muscle 4 in 1 Dehumidifier

Mr Muscle 4 in 1 Dehumidifier

Promo Price: 2 for $8.83 (was $8.83 each)

Fed up with a musty smell lingering in your closet? This 4-in-1 dehumidifier from Mr. Muscle prevents mold and banishes dampness, leaving behind a rose fragrance that makes your space smell better. The 3+1 value pack means you will have backups ready when one unit needs replacing. Plus, now at 1 for 1!

Cloversoft Laundry Capsules (Assorted)

Cloversoft 5 in 1 Scent Laundry Capsules - Fairy Dust Whimsical

Promo Price: 2 for $9.95 (was $9.95 each)

These plant-based laundry capsules from Cloversoft come in a range of scents from the fresh Atlantic Coast to the whimsical Fairy Dust. Each capsule packs a punch of fragrance that lingers long after the spin cycle ends. The Basic series brings you crowd pleasers like Cotton Candy and Rainbow Vanilla Swirl, while Deluxe Plus+ features Eucalyptus. Or you could try the Supreme capsules in Rose Grape or the Scent Booster series in Sakura. 20 to 25 capsules per pack.

Kho Body Wash (Assorted)

Kho Body Wash - Clover DS Rose Soap

Promo Price: 2 for $13.15 (was $13.15 each)

A product of Japan, each variant delivers a cleansing experience wrapped in various fragrances. Choose from Sakura, Rose Oil, or Shea Butter. Turn your ordinary shower into a spa-worthy ritual right from home! 🏠

Up to 50% Off

FairPrice Potato Chips (Assorted)

FairPrice Potato Chips (Assorted)

Promo Price: $1.25 (was $2.50 each)

In these 3 flavors:

Sunnyview Australia High Brix Navel Orange

Sunnyview Australia High Brix Navel Orange

Promo Price: $3.45 (was $6.95 per bag)

CocoThumb Fresh Coconut

CocoThumb Fresh Coconut

Promo Price: 2 for $3.95 (was $3.90 each)

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